Discussion

[Klayton]

Cup of Nations 2020 Tottal War: Rome II 1x1.

[Hamilkar Barca]

If frenzied charge is banned on heavy horse, we should ban it on the other units that have similar abilities:

- Mighty Horse
- Lusitani Swordswomen
- Baktrian RG

There migth be more, that's all I remember off the top of my head. All of those units have the "frenzied charge" ability that grants unbreakable.

Obviously I'm not talking about the regular Frenzy ability that units like Naked Swords have. That one works as intended.

[Sofado]

Hey,

What happened to Arverni and Getae?

[Hamilkar Barca]

Can we add some replacements into the regular pool? Like carthage, lusi, athens, syrac, baktria? Also getae is missing and saba

[Klayton]

If frenzied charge is banned on heavy horse, we should ban it on the other units that have similar abilities:

- Mighty Horse
- Lusitani Swordswomen
- Baktrian RG

There migth be more, that's all I remember off the top of my head. All of those units have the "frenzied charge" ability that grants unbreakable.

Obviously I'm not talking about the regular Frenzy ability that units like Naked Swords have. That one works as intended.

I don’t know why everyone wants to weaken the barbarian cavalry,Celtic light cavalry and so weak.

A connoisseur of balance(Asseror), offers to leave this ability only with the infantry, since the units listed by you are rarely used.

Hey,
What happened to Arverni and Getae?

Can we add some replacements into the regular pool? Like carthage, lusi, athens, syrac, baktria? Also getae is missing and saba

Arverni, Getar and Saba its imbalance fractions.
carthage, lusi, athens, syrac, baktria much weaker than the above, so they are on the bench.

[Hamilkar Barca]

They are not weaker if we just give them better rules. Carth is similar in strength to epirus, same with baktria. Saba is fine with 3 cataphracts. Athens and syracuse can be brought up to strength with like 6 melee and 13 inf or something. Or 4 tarentines.

Getae is in no way unbalanced. If anything they are on the weaker side, but certainly can play vs many of the facs in the pool.

[Borislav]

Lendon used same build with saba and got to finals (with 3 catas),so saba is imba. Idk about the other 2 tho, especially considering that galatia, rome are in the pool.

[Hamilkar Barca]

Eh ye i personally dont like saba much. But u cant give parthia no nerfs if u think saba is op with 3 cata.

Getae, Carthage especially should be in the regular pool. They are definitely powerful enough. And arverni should return.

[Borislav]

Eh ye i personally dont like saba much. But u cant give parthia no nerfs if u think saba is op with 3 cata.

Getae, Carthage especially should be in the regular pool. They are definitely powerful enough. And arverni should return.

Better carthage in reserve. I want a good pike faction in reserve xd. Otherwise agree with you.

[gamilkara]

12 фракций в основном пуле это маловато,тем более что и среди этих 12 баланса и близко нету.
могут спокойно быть в основном пуле.
да и египет + спарта могут многим из основного пула дать бой.

[Sofado]

Ehm sry but I dont get whats so unbalanced about Getae.
I mean they also can just use 3 ha and have great weaknesses regarding melee cav and infantry.
Also like they have worked in the previous CoNs so why not in this one?

[Hamilkar Barca]

Ye Getae hasn’t even been a major threat in previous CON

[Asseror]

Что бы вы захотели взять Геты или Эпир?))
Думаю, что большинство возьмет Гетов, ровно как и Арвернов))
А потом снова задайтесь вопросом, сбалансированы ли Арверны?))

Основная идея у Клейтона 12 фракций, поэтому на всех места не хватит

Конечно, какой-нибудь Рим выделяется (как и некоторые другие фракции), но любимая фраза всех "как же играть без Рима", а всех не сбалансировать, но надо хотя бы примерно)

[Klayton]

12 фракций в основном пуле это маловато,тем более что и среди этих 12 баланса и близко нету.
могут спокойно быть в основном пуле.
да и египет + спарта могут многим из основного пула дать бой.

Все фракции которые ты перечислил можешь взять спокойно из запаса, пожалуйста.

[gamilkara]

Что бы вы захотели взять Геты или Эпир?))
Думаю, что большинство возьмет Гетов, ровно как и Арвернов))
А потом снова задайтесь вопросом, сбалансированы ли Арверны?))

Основная идея у Клейтона 12 фракций, поэтому на всех места не хватит

Конечно, какой-нибудь Рим выделяется (как и некоторые другие фракции), но любимая фраза всех "как же играть без Рима", а всех не сбалансировать, но надо хотя бы примерно)

Ровно как и галатов и рим и ардеи.
И с чего это вдруг арверны имба, тем более без пилумов на бичах?) арверны были хотя бы в финале 1 кубка?, нет по моему, а вот эпир был и побеждал там,свебы были там ток не помню побеждали или нет,ардеи,парфия и тд.
На прошлом кубке наций ты предложил пул фракций за который активно начали впрягаться граждане,в том числе и нынешний админ,что поменялось в игре за этот год что бы делать другой пул на этот CoN?))) 16 фракций играть веселее чем 12)

http://clancommunity.ru/showpost.php?p=1...tcount=201

[gamilkara]

Все фракции которые ты перечислил можешь взять спокойно из запаса, пожалуйста.

Пасибо кэп,гляну что там на жире выпадет,потом посмотрим.

[Asseror]

Ровно как и галатов и рим и ардеи.
И с чего это вдруг арверны имба, тем более без пилумов на бичах?) арверны были хотя бы в финале 1 кубка?, нет по моему, а вот эпир был и побеждал там,свебы были там ток не помню побеждали или нет,ардеи,парфия и тд.
На прошлом кубке наций ты предложил пул фракций за который активно начали впрягаться граждане,в том числе и нынешний админ,что поменялось в игре за этот год что бы делать другой пул на этот CoN?))) 16 фракций играть веселее чем 12)

http://clancommunity.ru/showpost.php?p=1...tcount=201

На том КОН был ты админ, ты хотел 16 фракций. Предложил альтернативу твоим. Один фиг Ардиеи почему-то у тебя оказались во 2-ом пулле, а не в 1-ом как я предлагал)))
К тому же тогда баланс только нащупывался после патча.

Арверны даже без пилумов сильно отличаются по своей мощи. Сравни с Иценами и тут все понятно, тотальное превосходство.

Почему их не было в финале? Да потому что ими не играли ТОП игроки, в отличии от Эпира (у Волка, который на тот момент был лучшим просто по скиллу).

[Graham Bubblefish]

I would also argue to put more factions in the main pool. More variety is more better in my opinion. Mirror matches are not much fun to most people (unless that is the point of the entire tournament, like Master of X series).

Isn't the idea of the tournament to take up a single faction and be forced to really learn it inside out? To learn to cover up its weaknesses and bolster its strengths? It does not matter much if everything is /perfectly/ balanced.

For example: I think Epirus is slightly weaker than Carthage, but there is plenty of room for a skilled player to win. The skill-range in this tournament, partially because of its sheer size, is very big. There are some of the best people participating and people of whom I think "WTF why did you even sign up, you don't know what you're doing".

Getting dealt a /slightly/ weaker faction forces players to innovate, to adapt. Last time I had Epirus, which I at first felt was pretty weak compared to some. In the end I believe I've won games with 5 completely different builds and tried a number more. This is the strength of CoN.

By making the reserve pool so big, you make both make it super easy for people to swap to something they're comfortable with, because there are so many strong factions in there AND you make it more appealing to swap because there's so many of the same factions in the main pool. This undermines the strength of CoN.

[Borislav]

I would also argue to put more factions in the main pool. More variety is more better in my opinion. Mirror matches are not much fun to most people (unless that is the point of the entire tournament, like Master of X series).

Isn't the idea of the tournament to take up a single faction and be forced to really learn it inside out? To learn to cover up its weaknesses and bolster its strengths? It does not matter much if everything is /perfectly/ balanced.

For example: I think Epirus is slightly weaker than Carthage, but there is plenty of room for a skilled player to win. The skill-range in this tournament, partially because of its sheer size, is very big. There are some of the best people participating and people of whom I think "WTF why did you even sign up, you don't know what you're doing".

Getting dealt a /slightly/ weaker faction forces players to innovate, to adapt. Last time I had Epirus, which I at first felt was pretty weak compared to some. In the end I believe I've won games with 5 completely different builds and tried a number more. This is the strength of CoN.

By making the reserve pool so big, you make both make it super easy for people to swap to something they're comfortable with, because there are so many strong factions in there AND you make it more appealing to swap because there's so many of the same factions in the main pool. This undermines the strength of CoN.

+1, I think it is better to just add all factions to main pool, except saba (too op for 5 sword ruleset) and nomads. If you want you can remove 2-3 others like boii/arverni but con's purpose is to make you adapt. With the current ruleset whatever faction I get I will switch immediately to carthage so con kinda loses the thing that it makes it CoN. Most of the best players will get to at least 1/4 even if they have shit factions. Hell last 2 cons I had cimmeria and baktria and I made it .

[Sofado]

@Borislav Id rather worry about the eastern factions than saba.

With this ruleset factions like Parthia Armenia Pontus etc. will be heavily favoured